Discusión:Wikimedia Commons

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Ya sé que sería mejor poner aquí un enlace al archivo de los correos (http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-October.txt), pero como es un poco lioso de encontrar allí, os lo dejo para que veáis como evoluciona el asunto. --Javier Carro 13:27 31 oct, 2004 (CET)

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Message: 3 Date: 30 Oct 2004 15:43:00 +0200 From: (Erik Moeller) Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons support enabled on all wikis To: foundation-l@wikimedia.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

I have just finished implementing, backporting, and enabling basic support for transparently using content from the Wikimedia Commons on all Wikimedia wikis.

An example for this:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Onopordum_bracteatum0.jpg

=> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Onopordum_bracteatum0.jpg

=>http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Onopordum_bracteatum0.jpg

=>http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Onopordum_bracteatum0.jpg

=>http://ja.wikibooks.org/wiki/%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F:Onopordum_bracteatum0.jpg

etc. etc.

Use a file from the Commons like you would any other, using [[Image:]] or [[Media:]] links, with extended options or without. If the file does not exist locally, we search the Commons. If it doesn't exist there either, we show a "Missing image" notice.

You can edit Commons image pages, but this should only be done for the purpose of describing the content. For licensing information, you can use MediaWiki:Sharedupload to insert an automatic backlink to the Commons. See the version on en: as an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sharedupload

This is not perfect yet. In the not so far future, the content of the Commons description page should be directly transcluded on the using wiki. It should also be possible to upload content directly to the Commons from anywhere welse. In order to deal with issues like cross-wiki authentication, and to have a shared database in place, I am waiting for the single login transition before tackling this issue further.

And even these advanced features are just a mid term perspective. In the long term, I would like it to be possible for any open content wiki using our software to immediately start using Commons content (caching the images, of course, and maybe even serving them as mirrors chosen in a round-robin fashion).

In the meantime, please do start using the Commons, upload images and sound files to it, and help organizing the growing number of them. Keep in mind that the Commons is *only* for free content -- no fair use allowed. Having to upload non-free images locally is a good disincentive, and helps us to enforce individual wiki policies on non-free content.

All best,

Erik

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Message: 4 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:31:37 +0200 From: "Jean-Christophe Chazalette"

Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons support enabled on all wikis To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@wikimedia.org> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original

This is a great feature Erik. Maybe the first real interwiki thingy. I've made an announcement on Fr village pump. Villy

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Message: 5 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:41:10 -0400 From: Delirium Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons support enabled on all wikis To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@wikimedia.org> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Erik Moeller wrote:

>You can edit Commons image pages, but this should only be done for the >purpose of describing the content. For licensing information, you can use >MediaWiki:Sharedupload to insert an automatic backlink to the Commons. See >the version on en: as an example: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sharedupload > > Does this mean that there *shouldn't* be licensing information on the Commons pages? I thought it would make sense to have that at a centralized location, rather than on each individual wiki.

-Mark

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Message: 6 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:55:35 +0200 From: Andre Engels Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons support enabled on all wikis To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@wikimedia.org> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On 30 Oct 2004 15:43:00 +0200, Erik Moeller <erik_moeller@gmx.de> wrote:

> You can edit Commons image pages, but this should only be done for the > purpose of describing the content. For licensing information, you can use > MediaWiki:Sharedupload to insert an automatic backlink to the Commons. See > the version on en: as an example: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sharedupload

As I already said on IRC: Why not include this in the standard Sharedupload? Now if it happens to be that no sysop in a certain language reads your message, or if they read it but do not realize the type of action they are to take, a backlink will not exist on that language.

Andre Engels

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Message: 7 Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 23:57:06 +0200 From: Andre Engels Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons support enabled on all wikis To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@wikimedia.org> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

I think you misunderstood Erik here. When he said "Commons image page", he meant the image page on a 'local' wiki for an image on Commons. He is saying that the licensing information should be on Commons.

Erik, please watch your words. It's only because I knew what you meant that I did not make the same misreading that Delirium made.

Andre

On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 13:41:10 -0400, Delirium <delirium@hackish.org> wrote: > Erik Moeller wrote: > > >You can edit Commons image pages, but this should only be done for the > >purpose of describing the content. For licensing information, you can use > >MediaWiki:Sharedupload to insert an automatic backlink to the Commons. See > >the version on en: as an example: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sharedupload > > > > > Does this mean that there *shouldn't* be licensing information on the > Commons pages? I thought it would make sense to have that at a > centralized location, rather than on each individual wiki. > > -Mark > > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >

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Message: 8 Date: 31 Oct 2004 02:31:00 +0100 From: (Erik Moeller) Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Commons support enabled on all wikis To: foundation-l@wikimedia.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Andre- > I think you misunderstood Erik here. When he said "Commons image > page", he meant the image page on a 'local' wiki for an image on > Commons. He is saying that the licensing information should be on > Commons.

Andre is right. Sorry for being unclear.

Regards,

Erik

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