Discusión:Ondas de materia

Cross-wiki self promo alert

The anonymous addition of a publication is a cross-wiki ano self promotion affair - see also the alert on meta. The scientist involved it not relevant to this topic - see nl:René-Louis Vallée. Kind regards, MoiraMoira (discusión) 18:06 1 jul 2008 (UTC)

Who decides what's relevant or not? Vallée worked with De Broglie on the theory of material waves. In 1971 Vallée published for the samne editor as De Broglie: Masson & Cie, a respectable academic editor. The witch hunter herself writes a very incomplete and sloppy article about René Vallée, which lacks any context about the real important work of Vallée in relation to De broglie's work on material waves.... and the expertise of IP user 86.83.155.44 also known as D.A. Borgdorff, is completele overseen, and worse: the important information about the relations between De Broglie and Vallée are put under the table in favour of witch-hunt and cross-wiki vandalism accusations on the experts. Don't believe Moira Moira in this case. It's merely a semipolitical powergame showoff and witch hunt. A Shame that MoiraMoira abuses her crosswiki accounts for this dirty tactics. Usuario:Pling 18:28 1 jul 2008 (UTC)

Pling writes above "Vallée worked with De Broglie on the theory of material waves." Well, let's put things in the right context. In the English article en:Louis-Victor de Broglie you can read:

"His 1924 doctoral thesis, Recherches sur la théorie des quanta (Research on Quantum Theory), introduced his theory of electron waves. This included the wave-particle duality theory of matter, based on the work of Albert Einstein and Planck. This research culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving particle or object had an associated wave. De Broglie thus created a new field in physics, the mécanique ondulatoire, or wave mechanics, uniting the physics of light and matter. For this he won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1929."

René-Louis Vallée lived from 1926 to 2007. So when De Broglie wrote his doctoral thesis in 1924 Vallée wasn't even born and when De Broglie won the Nobel Prize in Physics this Vallée was only a toddler. - Robotje (discusión) 08:40 4 jul 2008 (UTC)

None of all accusations by Moira² "matters". In Holland as well as here as e.g. in Romaine, Suomi and elsewhere, I started articles about De Broglie Material Waves, with references involved. You: Moira, destroyed my Dutch one called: Materiegolven (like stated in Germany: Materiewellen) and replacing it by a complete simpleminded "new lemma". Than your colleague Ciell blocked me a month for only changing some letters (tipos/carácteres) in own text, so that you and others can so wrongly change my texts and archives, and starting up that strange lemma about referees. I'm keeping aloof of all that wrangling, in silent protest as acknowledged of on meta-wiki. Let people judge for themselves. Utmost sincerety and very sorry for not writing in Spanish as I'm usually like to doing. Ingº D.A. Borgdorff by: 86.83.155.44 (discusión) 21:34 1 jul 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism report

Users MoiraMoria and Wammes Waggel behave as vandals here, bij constantly reverting a valid source/reference in this article. Be aware please, Administrators!Usuario:Pling 23:54 2 jul 2008 (UTC)

Note for my spanish colleagues

Please note this article has been protected already on several Wikipedia versions by colleague moderators of mine there due to the continuous selfpromo nonsense refs placed over and over again. The Dutch contributor Wammes Waggel contacted me on his talk page on wiki-nl how to deal with the ongoing problem and I referred him to meta - the alert can be found here m:Vandalism_reports#Cross_wiki_selfpromotion. Kind regards, MoiraMoira (discusión) 12:17 3 jul 2008 (UTC)

Just like on the Spanish Wikipedia, D.A. Borgdorff (dAb) has been repetitively inserting a reference to a document written by René-Louis Vallée (often while mentioning his own translation of this French document in Dutch) in about 15 language versions of Wikipedia while often violating the 3-revert-rule. Because of these kind of repetitive insertion by him in the last week in at least 7 language versions of Wikipedia the article has now been semi-protected:

• Basque Wikipedia [1] - 27 June 2008 by admin Janfri
• Chinese Wikipedia [2] - 28 June 2008 by admin Charlotte1125
• German Wikipedia [3] - 1 July 2008 by admin Pjacobi
• Greek Wikipedia [4] - 2 jul 2008 by admin Badseed
• Japanese Wikipedia [5] - 2 July 2008 by admin 'Ks aka 98'
• Swedish Wikpedia [6] - 3 July 2008 by admin Micke
• Ukrainian Wikipedia [7] - 2 July 2008 by admin Yakudza

For these edits he is now also blocked for 6 month on the Polish Wikipedia [8] and for 1 year on the Bulgarian Wikipedia [9] and the Swedish Wikipedia [10].

The French author of the document is not so famous (not even the English and French Wikipedia have an article about him) and the topic of the document is not really about the topic of this article. To make things worse, dAb has many times added in the Spanish article "traslado de D.A. Borgdorff." like here last Tuesday. He 'forgets' to mention he didn't translated it into Spanish but he translated it into the Dutch language and on the Dutch Wikipedia he admitted the book was only printed in a quantity of about 30 books for a proof (trial print). He also stated there that no library he knows of has that Dutch book. So even in the Netherlands it is not publicly accessible. Why is he so eager to mention a Dutch translation in the Spanish Wikipedia if readers cannot get access to that book in an article that is hardly on topic? The only reason I can think of, is he wants to get his name in the article. - Robotje (discusión) 05:29 4 jul 2008 (UTC)

This last hunter Usuario:Robotje has been recently unmasked for false accusations to burócrata Usuario:Muro de Aguas about my edits here, which I explained as well as in England. I don't like to comment on this Witch-Hunt anymore, apart from the fact apparently nobody is willing to write in Spanish ¡which is an insult to the people of this Wiki de España! Con indignación ofrecer sus disculpas: ingº D.A. Borgdorff = \ dAb / + —86.83.155.44 (discusión) 09:00 4 jul 2008 (UTC)

The accusations were not false, you just assumed the text was free of copyright but never proved so. It is like driving a car or bicycle you found on the street just assuming the owner doesn't mind you use it. That doesn't mean you had the right to do so on Wikipedia until it was sure the text was free of copyrights. I'm still investigating the statement Guido came up with that mysteriously there never has been copyright on that text.

That has nothing to do with the issue here on this talk page of you adding references to the work of Vallée and even the self promotion of your translation here on the Spanish Wikipedia. If you don't want to discuss that, then stop adding these references. - Robotje (discusión) 09:31 4 jul 2008 (UTC)

Robotje, don't impose onto others your lack of knowledge. Guido den Broeder (discusión) 12:00 4 jul 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately you are going on to disrupt the importance of the Hon.: prof. R.-L. Vallée, as well as my contributions of messenger interrelated to most works of De Broglie. This is still indignified upheaval ... of which I stay aloof from. Truly Yrs: \ dAb / +> 86.83.155.44 (talk) 09:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Because of a suddenly blocking up from action by Robotje - while defending me - I'll have to (re)place the (un)finished text hereunder in España.wiki:

On the contrary: ¡ Don't take that very important reference away without discussion first.! You are nó more worth than any other user ... \ dAb / via —86.83.155.44 (discusión) 10:08 4 jul 2008 (UTC) → Post scriptum: the lie that in France is no article about Vallée is proved by fr:Synergie in paragraph Physique synergétique. Always, atentamente D.A. Borgdorff: —86.83.155.44 (discusión) 10:35 4 jul 2008 (UTC) → PS: I also clearly stated that the work eruditely published from De Broglie's 'own' Masson & Cie on this topic of M° René-Louis Vallée - mi traslado incluido - had been "classified" by the Public French National State Atomic CEA ultimo 1974 for obvious reasons. Saludos Cordiales y Atte: D.A. Borgdorff —86.83.155.44 (discusión) 11:14 5 jul 2008 (UTC)

Well, then first explain why you so often mentioned your translation into the Dutch language with your name as translator on the Spanish article if your translation itself is not even publicly accessible in The Netherlands. - Robotje (discusión) 10:52 4 jul 2008 (UTC)

Correct me if I am wrong, but i recall that this Dutch translation was made back in 1978 already? Usuario:Pling 23:12 4 jul 2008 (UTC)

• As ample mentioned on Dutch Wikipedia, e.g. 25 feb 2008 15:05 (CET) the translation was made in 1973 with ISBN 90-805865-2-8. This discussion has no fundamental scientific interactions anymore, and lacks judgement on peer review. The discussion partners have no qualification in the Quantumfield Theories at all. Regards: COITI D.A. Borgdorff \ —86.83.155.44 (discusión) 10:49 5 jul 2008 (UTC)

Well 1978 is certainly not the year dAb mentioned in the Dutch Wikipedia as the year the translation was done and the ± 30 copies were printed in a proof, so I guess your information is wrong. But was does it matter? How does it help the reader if you write in a Spanish article about a French document "traslado de D.A. Borgdorff." like here as he did earlier this week? First of all, I think the word traducción would be a better choice. Second, why give the reader the false impression that it is translated into the Spanish language (which it isn't) and even if it would have been in Spanish, if it is not accessible to the public it doesn't help the reader that somebody ever made a translation. And all of that by a user who has a conflict of interest by mentioning that translation and finally the whole reference to the document of Vallée is not really on topic here. But let's first wait for dAb's reply on point I wrote above because he's the one who started this selfreference: "Well, then first explain why you so often mentioned your translation into the Dutch language with your name as translator on the Spanish article if your translation itself is not even publicly accessible in The Netherlands." - Robotje (discusión) 05:22 5 jul 2008 (UTC)

• This reply is meanwhile stated above. No need for targeting my reference of Vallée's theory on De Broglie Waves Paradoxes &c. Regards from ing. D.A. Borgdorff MASc and known to Prof.dr.ir. H. Blok as referee decano Catedrático for decades as on my talk page: —86.83.155.44 (discusión) 10:30 16 jul 2008 (UTC)

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